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Published: Oct 7, 2016
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Occasional blog of Bob Scott, Director of Scoutbook for the BSA

Welcome back to my unapologetic occasional blog. I am going to use this posting to share some perspective based on a number of questions posted to my last blog about future direction and timing on Scoutbook development.

But, first, performance. We hope that you have all noticed improved performance, especially in the past week. Over the past several weeks ten team members have been focused on performance - identifying and implementing software changes to improve the performance of the tool. During that time they have touched all aspects of the tool – queries have been tuned, caching has been implemented, history archived, and application changes have been made to speed your Scouting job.

The performance data says that the work has been successful, we hope it is improving your Scouting experience. Page load time is 35% improved on desktops and 25% on mobile devices. Server response time has improved four fold and session duration decreased 17% while pages viewed went up 11%, but the job is not complete – more users are getting their work done faster. Performance improvement will continue to be an ongoing quest as we add users.

On to some of your questions and frequent issues:

Syncing Advancement Between Scoutbook and ScoutNet: As you know today this takes a set of steps to export the Scoutbook advancement file, then log in and upload that file in Internet Advancement. We have a totally separate team working on creating a true sync from Scoutbook to ScoutNet. The team is making progress per the plan we have outlined. We hope to being testing in mid-November/ early December and will update you on planned release and implications for unit leaders as we get closer to release.

The development team’s priorities, post performance sprint are as follows:

Imports: We are aware of a number of units which are having difficulty importing their rosters from ScoutNet. This has been isolated to two situations: 1) units with new Lions registered in the unit and 2) situations where there are duplicate four-digit unit numbers in a council. Fixing these import bugs is first and second on the development priority list post performance sprint. Expect progress in the next week.

Updating Training for Adults: This functionality has been broken since last year when BSA moved to a new learning management tool and changed our approach to online training. The bug affects individuals who have taken Cub Scout and Venturing position-specific training since last fall. We regret that it has taken so long to address this issue. Fixing this functionality is next in line after the imports. Until we begin working on the solution I can not provide you with an estimate of when it might be released.

Cub Scout Shooting Sports Award: We are tardy in implementing this award and will be working it after the two issues above.

Membership Numbers: As a reminder, much of what we are doing now and will be in the future will require a valid membership ID for youth and adults. Please keep working to include member IDs in each person’s profile in Scoutbook.

TTFN, have a great weekend Scouting and for those in the Matthew hurricane impact area, the hopes and prayers of the Scoutbook team are with you.

  • Comments (61)
  • Coastal Georgia Council Image
    9 years ago
    Frank Turner
    Any hope of ever seeing logs for aquatics?
    Pending Approval
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    Cubmaster
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    9 years ago
    Joseph Moody
    Can not wait for new updates to Scoutbook. I am hoping for Shooting Sports and JTE to be up soon
    updated 9 years ago
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  • National Capital Area Council Image
    9 years ago
    Larry Ledbetter
    Performance improvement noted and much appreciated ... thanks! Migrating 140 Scouts, 60 active adult leaders and over 200 parents has been a chore, but much easier with performance. We are really liking Scoutbook so far ... A little clunky setting up connections for this many people, but that's a one time hit on time and maintenance will be easy.
    Pending Approval
  • Minsi Trails Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Robin Ruch
    When will scoutbook open the awards section in the profile?
    Pending Approval
  • Denver Area Council Image
    9 years ago
    Tim Bradford
    Scoutbook team,

    Thank you for all you have done and for your diligence! We look forward to the continued progress in the coming weeks. Enjoy your weekend.

    All Scoutbook Users,

    For those who continue to post and ask questions about items not yet in development, I would like to direct you to the future requests forum. Those requests are mintiored and compiled to make the decisions for the direction of resources. If the item you were inquiring about was not listed above, in a prior blog, or in the IT Roadmap then it may be a little while until they come to that feature. I can't speak for the Scoutbook team but I have been following things for a while and the focus items have been well defined and it appears that there will not be much deviation at this time. I do continue to suggest that you place your ideas in the future requests forum so your ideas can be considered.
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  • Central Florida Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Tom McFadden
    Speed is much better Bob, thank you.

    And thank you for the update. It is much appreciated.
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    9 years ago
    Noah Fenley
    Performance noted. Thank you
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    9 years ago
    Ron Fedele
    Great job as both a long time user and having some experience in system roll-out and growth I constantly tell people what you have accomplished is nothing short of miraculous
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Keola Stone
    Performance and speed is much better. Thank you for your hard work!
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    9 years ago
    Jodi Rinker
    Thank you. This looks great!
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  • Georgia-Carolina Image
    9 years ago
    Tony Troxel
    I was skeptical but this is a huge improvement is accessibility and speed. Great job to someone.
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  • Atlanta Area Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Laura Scott
    I would like to point out those are not the only two issues with uploading to Scoutnet.

    We have been unable to do it for a year. Contacted customer service because only 5 scouts were updating.

    It was looked into until they couldn't figure out why (all the data matched) and then Scoutbook said they were not going to look any further because of the pending automatic sync between the two systems.


    This email chain happened in April and required me to redo every single award for the year for every scout. I took hours and we only had 18. Now I have 42.

    I really don't want to have to go through that again.
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Laura, please bring this to the forums. We can try to help you better there.
    Pending Approval
  • Ore-Ida Council 106 - BSA Image
    9 years ago
    Shannon Bray
    Our unit has used Scotbook for 3 yearsand we love it! However, when new scouts moved into our troop two years ago they were added manually, now when I add their BSA ID#, I get an error stating they are attached to another troop. How can this get resolved before the sync at Scowtnet begins?
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Kristen Davies
    Really apreciate the updates!

    Hope the calendar invitees auto population new scouts on exsisting events are seriously considered for the next round.

    When inviting it would be great if there were an All ____ choice, so new scouts would be auto added. We should have the correct options based on which calendar the event goes on, but for a pack event something like:
    All Pack
    All Tigers
    All Wolves
    All Bears
    All Webelos
    All Leaders
    Individual selections....
    Pending Approval
  • Grand Canyon Council Image
    9 years ago
    Bill Nelson
    Please post any suggested features, problems or bugs to the forums. That way we can go into them in more depth.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Shannon, you will need to contact scoutbook.support@scouting.org with details to get the BSA # issue you are seeing corrected.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Angela Flannery
    Please disable the old belt loops and Pins program. Parents are still entering those even though the program has ended. Any ETA on the new shooting sports? We have quite a few of those to fulfill from summer camp.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Todd Johns
    How about printable reports?
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  • Grand Canyon Council Image
    9 years ago
    Bill Nelson
    Please post any suggested features, problems, questions or bugs to the forums. That way we can go into them in more depth. Do not post them here.

    Reports are scheduled to be worked on next year. See: http://itroadmap.scouting.org/scoutbook/
    updated 9 years ago
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  • Mid Iowa Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Brad Johnson
    How is Scoutbook for crews coming?
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  • Texas Trails Council Image
    9 years ago
    Justin Edmunds
    Hello everyone, I apologize for the amount of time it took for me to get on here, but I've been busy flying in Alaska. I will be back 22 Oct, so expect me to go through everything after I get back. Cheers!
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Marcos O'Rourke
    In regards to the Member IDs, our workflow is to add Scouts as we receive their applications prior to submitting them to the Council. If we will (in the future) be required to add a Member ID, will we have to wait until the Council Registrar enters the application before adding the Scout to Scoutbook?

    This will present problems as we have had a few incidents where we had to submit several applications for the same Scout (in one case it was five separate applications).
    Pending Approval
  • Greater Alabama Council Image
    9 years ago
    Meghan Carroll
    We have truly enjoyed scoutbook! Even with the lag time it has become one of our favorite tools.
    Pending Approval
  • Northeastern Pennsylvania Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ken Morgan
    @Marcos, I'd continue to do exactly that, and is what I do. I can't wait for the registrar to enter a scout, even with normal lead times for processing. I need to start tracking his advancement immediately. Once the scout is on the roster I can go back and add his Member ID.

    Nothing will sync until the member ID is there, but until he's registered and the ID is generated/known, there's nothing to sync to anyway.
    Pending Approval
  • Great Southwest Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Paul May
    And thought about an app version for people on pads and pods so we could work directly instead of going through a browser? Just curious
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  • Washington Crossing Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Stephen Hornak
    Paul - there is much to consider when building an app. It needs approval of the provider such as apple, Android, Microsoft etc. It requires additional development resources and support.
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Paul, this has been discussed many times in the forums. There are no plans to create an app for Scoutbook. Creating an app requires significantly more resources to produce, test and support than the current web based solution. BSA is much better off putting its resources into enhancing Scoutbook instead of supporting it on alternate platforms.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Jason Akai
    Bob - is the Scoutbook team interested in volunteers who can help to work through some of these projects? For me, I would just like to double my salary as a Committee Chair (which is 0 right now...lol).

    Seriously, though - I am CONFIDENT there are LOTS of people out here who would be more than willing to help out to make this tool better. Even if it is for more than one hour a week.
    Pending Approval
  • Cape Cod and Islands Cncl Image
    9 years ago
    Tess Henderson Fotheringham
    lunatic
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  • Colonial Virginia Council Image
    9 years ago
    Scott Hamilton
    Any chance payment log field can be added to the report generator? I would also like to see additional features for creating & formatting reports.
    Pending Approval
  • Grand Canyon Council Image
    9 years ago
    Bill Nelson
    Units with Lions registered in the unit can now import from ScoutNet to Scoutbook.
    Pending Approval
  • Denver Area Council Image
    9 years ago
    Jen Geyer
    Performance has improved.... Thank you
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
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    9 years ago
    Jeff Armstrong
    Just started using Scoutbook, seems like a wonderful too! Looking forward to future improvements and developments!
    Pending Approval
  • Longhorn Council Image
    9 years ago
    Ahmed Qureshi
    Our troop 402 administrator is trying to renew our subscription and it won't let him. Any idea why that might be happening?
    Pending Approval
  • Simon Kenton Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Jacob Fetzer
    Ahmed, what do you mean by "it won't let him". Did he pay PayPal, and the subscription didn't get updated in Scoutbook? If so, he can forward his confirmation email to scoutbook.support@scouting.org

    Include unit number, district, council and other identifying info in the email.

    Otherwise, you or he can post in the forums with the exact details of what he has done and what he is seeing.
    Pending Approval
  • Atlanta Area Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Laura Scott
    Ed.,

    There is no point to bringing it to the forums. Per customer service, I was doing everything correctly and all the data was correct/matching.

    They sent it up the chain and I was told they weren't going to look into it because they weren't sure what was wrong and the sync would fix it anyway.

    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Laura,

    The SUAC members have been able to solve MANY issues that BSA member care cannot. We have found workarounds for issues that member care has said there is no solution for, but because we are not notified of posts to the blogs, we have a harder time solving problems here. Give us a chance, post a description of your problem in the forums and we will try to solve the problem.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Steven Hobbs
    I am still getting a feel for ScoutBook; I am not really comfortable doing much of anything yet. The one issue I have noted is that as Advancement Coordinator for my unit, there does not seem to be an easy way to identify what badges and awards I need to pick up and hand out for our upcoming Court of Honor. Looks to me like I am simple going to have to make a hand list based upon dates. Is there some easy report feature I am missing?
    Pending Approval
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    Committee Chairman
    9 years ago
    Walt Sporisky
    We haved the scoutbook for year
    We loved it
    Pending Approval
  • Verdugo Hills Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Kathy Perea
    William Nelson, I just tried to import from ScoutNet to Scoutbook (we have Lions registered.) It still didn't work.
    Pending Approval
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Kathy, can you move this to the forums? We are able to provide better assistance there.
    Pending Approval
  • Greater Niagara Frontier Council Image
    9 years ago
    Anthony Montibello
    Kathy,
    isn't that one of the existing glitches itemized in the post, that they will be researching in the near future
    Pending Approval
  • National Capital Area Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Timothy Kilpatrick
    Hello, it sounds (from another forum post) that the "Pack Awards" section, which still states "Coming Soon" is actually not going to come? Can you confirm either way? Our previous system used custom awards which we used to track issuance of patches for items such as Scouting For Food, Raingutter Regatta, Pinewood Derby, Bike Rodeo, Family Campouts, 4th of July Parade and many more.

    It was one of the primary reasons we waited to switch to Scoutbook, and we've only switched this year as our previous provider was folding up shop. I do love many of the features of Scoutbook, but the Pack / Den Awards was a feature I really REALLY was anxious to start using.

    In addition to this feature I would LOVE a Payment Log report (we can do the CSV to excel trick, but my treasurer struggles with Pivot Tables and advanced functions to get a true report).

    Also where might I find a way to manage Permissions across the pack and what features are tied to which permissions? Can my treasurer, who is not a pack admin do an export of the payment log or would they need to be an admin? Do they have to have full control or just edit profile rights to update payment logs? A matrix of function to permissions would be SUPER helpful. Thank you,

    Tim
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Timothy, you can find information about permissions here: https://www.scoutbook.com/mobile/forums/using-scoutbook/88621/suac-scoutbook-faq-and-resources-table-of-contents--page-2-/
    Pending Approval
  • National Capital Area Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Timothy Kilpatrick
    Thank you Ed, can you shed any light on the Pack Awards feature?

    Regards, Tim
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Tim, the pack awards link was added with the coming soon indication before BSA purchased Scoutbook. Since then priorities have changed. We do not know when pack awards may be added. The SUAC has asked the development team to remove the link until such time as the feature becomes available.
    Pending Approval
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    Chartered Organization Rep.
    9 years ago
    Brad Johnson
    An app would be nice.., also again, any word on scoutbook for crews?
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Brad, the issue of a Scoutbook app has been discussed many times in the forums. If you click on the magnifying glass icon in the forums you should be able to easily find one of the disucssions.

    Venturing support is listed on the IT Roadmap but at this time we do not have a target release date.
    Pending Approval
  • Minsi Trails Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Robin Ruch
    When will scoutbook open the awards section in the profile?
    Pending Approval
  • Pacific Harbors Council, BSA Image
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    9 years ago
    Jennifer Olinger
    Robin, which awards section?
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  • Minsi Trails Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Robin Ruch
    Jennifer, Under "My Account" (where you can change your password) is " My Awards".
    Pending Approval
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Stephanie Ayersman
    One question.... crews???? We have been waiting?
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Jacob Fetzer
    Robin, adult awards are not likely to be activated any time soon. The "coming soon" tags are from before the BSA acquired Scoutbook, and priorities have changed since then.
    Pending Approval
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    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Jacob Fetzer
    Stephanie, "enable venturing subscriptions" is one of the items listed on http://itroadmap.scouting.org/scoutbook/ . IMO, that is a medium/long term view.
    Pending Approval
  • Minsi Trails Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Robin Ruch
    Thanks Jacob.
    Pending Approval
  • Atlanta Area Council Image
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    9 years ago
    Charles Nix
    Still waiting on Crew module. Almost two years now.
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Charlotte Boulind-Yeung
    Thanks for all the work done with Scoutbook. Very much looking for an update. I really hope for a few things as the Awards Coordinator for our pack (my 6th year at it) -- (1) the Shooting Awards to be added before the summer with more scouts going to camp; (2) Locking out parents from adding anything more to the obsolete academic loops and pins as they were discontinued in June 2015 and the local scout shops stopped selling them at least in my council since August 2015 (I'm getting more parents discovering them and inputting because they can't find the shooting awards!); and (3) ADD SEGMENTS! Thank you!!!
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Robert C.
    Cool
    Pending Approval
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    9 years ago
    Alma DeLaGarza Wozniak
    I am advancement coordinator and we will have a COH 2/6. We used TROOPMASTER previously, Is there a way to do practice report in advance of COH? I have not been able to find a video to show Needs Purchasing report, publish to turn into council and upload into BOYSCOUT.org for advancement. It sounded as though test were still being run December 2016. Has someone successfully extracted the data to upload into Boyscout.org?
    Pending Approval
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    8 years ago
    Janie Staples
    We use this for our son's cubscout group and absolutely love it. I am also the Post Advisor for the Police Explorer program under Boyscouts - Learning for Life. We would love to be able to use this program. I really think it would be beneficial to parents and the teenagers. The calender and email would be the biggest use. But building awards and such would be a valuable tool. Keeping track of training for advisors would be really awesome too.
    Scoutbook is great and user friendly. I have no doubt that this would really help.
    Pending Approval

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