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Director of Scoutbook - 3/29/2016

Published: Mar 29, 2016
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MAJOR UPDATES TO CUB SCOUT RANKS AND AWARDS RELEASED!

Today, the Scoutbook team will be releasing changes to the following:

  • How Webelos and Arrow of Light elective adventures are applied
  • Updating the Cub Scout World Conservation Award to the 2015 requirements
  • Quick Entry updates for 2015 Webelos and Arrow of Light requirements

APPLYING ELECTIVE ADVENTURES TO WEBELOS AND ARROW OF LIGHT RANKS

As many of you know, Scoutbook has been applying Webelos and Arrow of Light elective adventures to Requirement 3 of those ranks in a manner inconsistent with the program design. Later today we will release a major fix to how elective adventures are implemented in these ranks. Just so everyone is on the same page, the following outlines how Scoutbook will manage this situation. This process has been vetted by the Cub Scout program specialists at the National Council and is fully reflective of the program policies and practices.

  1. The Basics – the designed behavior of Scoutbook will cause:
    1. The first two elective adventures earned (approved/recorded, by order of date) to be applied to Webelos rank Requirement 3, satisfying that requirement.
    2. The 3rd - 5th elective adventures earned will to be applied to Arrow of Light rank Requirement 3, satisfying that requirement.
    3. Adventure Electives 6+ to show on the boy's advancement profile page but are not to be applied to either rank, since Requirement 3 is satisfied.
    4. If a new elective adventure is awarded/recorded with a completion date earlier than others previously earned, the order of application to the ranks will change to match the order in which the adventures were earned.
  2. The Exceptions – what happens if:
    1. A boy joins Cub Scouts as a fifth grader and will not be working on Webelos.
      1. Go to the boy's Edit Profile page and change the “Working towards:” slider to Arrow of Light.
      2. The first three adventure electives earned after the date the slider is moved will be applied to Arrow of Light Requirement 3.
      3. Subsequent electives earned will be treated as in 1d
    2. A boy begins working on his Webelos rank, completes some electives but does not earn the Webelos rank.
      1. The first two adventure electives earned will remain associated with the Webelos rank as they were used to satisfy Requirement 3 for that rank.
      2. The process described in 1c-d will be followed – 3rd – 5th electives earned will be applied to Arrow of Light, additional elective adventures will be shown on the boy's profile page.
      3. If the boy has earned less than 2 elective adventures, the you can use the process described in 2a to assure that new adventure electives are applied to Arrow of Light.

A caution on using the Webelos/Arrow of Light Slider – The default position of this slider is “Webelos”. The vast majority of boys will advance thru Webelos and Arrow of Light without any need of adjusting the slider position.

Heed the caution.

On a slightly unrelated topic, we have seen the following question frequently: May a boy who did not earn Webelos, use the Webelos REQUIRED adventures to satisfy Requirement 3 of Arrow of Light. The answer is NO – in no rank in Scouting may requirements completed for one rank be used to satisfy the requirements of another rank.

WORLD CONSERVATION AWARD UPDATED!

The 2015 requirements for the Cub Scout World Conservation Award are up with this release!! Check them out – they show up last in the alphabetized list of awards under a Scout’s Awards page. All adventures required to complete the World Conservation Award are hot linked – completing them on the adventure pages will update the World Conservation Award and updating an adventure will update the Scout’s status throughout the site.

ADDED 2015 WEBELOS AND ARROW OF LIGHT TO RANK QUICK ENTRY

Previously the 2015 requirements for Webelos and Arrow of Light were not available via Quick Entry. A toggle has been added to that function to allow cycling between 2010 and 2015 versions of rank requirements. Happy Scouting!

 

  • Comments (39)
  • Northeastern Pennsylvania Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ken Morgan
    THANK YOU, A much needed and longed for update to Scoutbook. I was just looking at my Webelos and their elective adventures are now being applied to Arrow of Light correctly.

    On the rank quick entry, it looks like that has been updated for all ranks, not just Webelos and Arrow of Light. So it's now much easier to credit the parent's pamphlet to multiple scouts.

    Thank you again!
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Thanks to the development team for getting these important changes to the Webelos program implemented. I have checked my Webelos den and can confirm that the electives are being properly applied as described above.
    Pending Approval
  • Baltimore Area Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    J.D. Urbach
    Thank you (thank you, thank you) for making these "hot linked – completing them on the adventure pages will update the World Conservation Award and updating an adventure will update the Scout’s status throughout the site."

    Will "hot linking" be expanding soon? (i.e. National Outdoor Awards on the Boy Scout side)
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Lights Council Image
    9 years ago
    Chris Peterson
    This is great to see. Is there anyway to force the World Conservation Award to update based on existing completed requirements? I have 9 Bears who have done all but one or two of those requirements. Will we need to go to each Scout and manually update their World Conservation Award?
    Pending Approval
  • Southwest Florida Council Image
    9 years ago
    Thad Stevens
    Awesome work!!!
    Any word or idea on when the print pocket certs will be updated for Cub Scout Adventures?
    Pending Approval
  • Miami Valley Council, BSA Image
    9 years ago
    Raymond Cooper
    Definitely looking forward to more hotlinking for awards.
    Pending Approval
  • San Diego Imperial Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Charley Hamilton
    <happy dance> Looks great, Bob! Please pass along our compliments to the developers. I know my den parents will be less confused now, and I'm glad to see the World Conservation Award go live.

    (Apparently?) minor bug: It appears that the WCA percentages are not reflecting the completion percentages for the linked adventures (i.e. requirements 1-4). Does this indicate that the award is not yet fully reflecting the status of the linked adventures, and that's why Chris is having the issue he appears to be describing (i.e. Scouts who have completed most of the requirements, but are not yet showing)?
    Pending Approval
  • Michigan Crossroads Image
    Committee Chairman
    9 years ago
    James Jarosz
    This is GREAT news, but...
    What if you have an Arrow of Light Scout, who was under the 2010 program last year, but opted to go through the 2015 program this year?

    Note: There is no "Working Towards" slider, and his 2015 Elective Adventure is not being counted towards his AoL rank.
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Chris, you can go into any one of the requirements for WCA for the scout, click on the current status then SAVE. For example, a Webelos needs to earn Into the Wild adventure. I clicked on Into the Wild for one of my scouts that has already completed the adventure, clicked the Awarded box then SAVE so that no data was changed. WCA was fully updated for this scout.
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    James, what happens if you change him to the 2015 program?
    Pending Approval
  • Northeastern Pennsylvania Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ken Morgan
    James, all you should have to do is set his AoL advancement to 2015. If I remember right from last year, you may have to put him in a den on his own or with other scouts also set to 2015. The elective adventures don't appear below the required adventures otherwise.

    Scoutbook does not support all the transition options, though (using old Activity Badges toward Webelos Electives). In those cases you'll have to continue to track him manually and just mark AoL as complete.
    Pending Approval
  • Central Georgia Council Image
    Chartered Organization Rep.
    9 years ago
    Jim Beall
    For the World Conservation Award:
    If you are not seeing any progress on this award and your Scouts have completed some of the requirements then this should work.
    FYI I am the Wolf Den Leader and we are working on this award. All my Scouts have completed Paws on the Path and the requirements for Wolf this year. This process might not be the best way to do it but it worked for me.
    You will need to adjust the award for other dens but this process will work to basically link an individual Scout and in essence tell Scoutbook that he is working on the World Conservation Award.
    Go to a Scout's page and then scroll down to his Awards and click on it.
    Scroll down to Word Conservation Award and click on it.
    Click on the Earn Paws on the Path box
    Click on the Completed Bar
    Click on Save
    Scoutbook will then see that the Scout is working on the Award
    Pending Approval
  • Northeastern Pennsylvania Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ken Morgan
    Thanks, Jim. I just tried something similar with a Wolf. Doing exactly that caused the entire WCA award to update any relevant requirements.

    The hot linking does work, but apparently it kicks in when something changes. So this first update doesn't seem like it's going through the records applying all the links. But once something changes it will refresh the award and be up to date for the scout.
    Pending Approval
  • San Diego Imperial Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Charley Hamilton
    Thanks, Jim. I just confirmed this works for Webelos/AoL, as well. No need to enter a date in the completion line, either. I suppose it makes sense that having the software spider out and update everything for all Scouts at once would be relatively intensive. Instead, it just defers updating until something changes.
    Pending Approval
  • Longhorn Council Image
    9 years ago
    zuzdgk Jackson
    @Charley. You are correct. Something has to trigger the refresh. We will look into the percent complete issue with WCA. We hope you like the other changes that the team made! Thanks for your patience.
    Pending Approval
  • Washington Crossing Council Image
    Committee Chairman
    9 years ago
    Stephen Hornak
    This is fantastic. Now we are heading in the right direction. These changes will be welcomed by my den leaders and all of us look forward to even more updates and enhancements from the team.
    Pending Approval
  • Capitol Area Council Image
    Venturing Crew Assoc. Advisor
    9 years ago
    Jon Hvizdos
    I am seeing an issue with some of my AoL guys who already earned Webelos under the 2010 requirements. The first new Adventures which we put towards AoL, just dropped out of the AoL requirement 3. It happened when I moved the slider for the Scouts who joined AoL year and are not working on their Webelos. Anyone else seeing this?
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Jon, set the AOL start date to before the scout completed the first adventure you want credited to AOL. The AOL Start Date appears right below the slider when you set it to AOL.
    updated 9 years ago
    Pending Approval
  • Crossroads Of America Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Holly Aitken
    My Wolf Den is also in the middle of the Conservation award! Thanks for the update.
    Any news on the Nova and SuperNova updates? We have at least two Cubs about to get SuperNova and it would be great to have it the system correctly.
    Pending Approval
  • Pacific Harbors Council, BSA Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Jennifer Olinger
    Holly, in a previous Blog, the Director of Scoutbook said:

    "Questions about priorities - more detail later but headlines and order for program are:

    Apply elective adventures appropriately between Webelos and Arrow of Light
    Cub Scout World Conservation Award - update to 2015 requirements
    Boy Scout Merit Badges - update multiple requirement changes across roughly 12 merit badges
    Cub Scout NOVA Awards - update to the 2015 requirements "

    Based on this list, I would expect to see Boy Scout merit badge requirements updates next.
    updated 9 years ago
    Pending Approval
  • Crossroads Of America Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Holly Aitken
    Hi,
    Yes, I have been following along and understand their list of priorities, I am looking for an estimated time that it might be done, nothing more.
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Holly, we are never provided with an estimated timeline, only the priority order.
    Pending Approval
  • Pacific Harbors Council, BSA Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Jennifer Olinger
    Holly, if your Cub Scouts earn their Supernova awards before the requirements are updated in Scoutbook, you could just mark the awards as completed. Once the awards are earned, the requirements aren't really all that relevant.
    Pending Approval
  • Coastal Carolina Council Image
    Venturing Crew Advisor
    9 years ago
    Micah Hudson
    Awesome work on getting things out for us! Thank you all for everything you do.
    Pending Approval
  • East Texas Area Council Image
    9 years ago
    Ashley Smith
    Like the update for AOL. However, my boys that completed Webelos under last year's program, do not have the slider as an option in their profiles. Their first two electives they have completed under AOL (new program) are not counting toward their percentage complete for the rank. The boys that are new AOL this year and have the slider have been updated perfectly.
    Pending Approval
  • Northern Star Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ed D'Avignon
    Ashley, see the discussion in https://www.scoutbook.com/mobile/forums/bugs/68462/aol-adventures-not-applied-to-aol-year/ We realize this is not working as expected but there is a workaround. The percentage will not be correct but you will be able to track your scouts. I doubt there will be an update to fix this as the scouts covered by the program transition will be moving to Boy Scouts very soon.
    Pending Approval
  • Great Lakes FSC (Michigan Crossroads Council) Image
    9 years ago
    Jay Bottorff
    Huge Update, thank you for staying diligent to supporting a wonderful site for scouter!
    Pending Approval
  • Simon Kenton Council Image
    9 years ago
    Mark Foster
    Thanks I noticed the Supernova awards are still following the pre 2015 changes.
    Pending Approval
  • Michigan Crossroads Image
    Committee Chairman
    9 years ago
    James Jarosz
    @Ed D'Avignon and Ken Morgan -

    Our (let's call him a 2010 Webelos II Scout) is in a "Webelos Den" with all 2015 Webelos AoL Scouts, and his advancement is set to the 2015 Webelos AoL program. The advancement tracking does not seem to be following the 2015 AoL requirements for him and there is no switch to change him over to the new program. The 2010 Webelos II Scout started this year with his Webelos Rank earned under 2010 requirements and a clean slate (starting over) with the 2015 AoL requirements. Since this Scout is of a singular unique situation, and his Den Leader is is Father, it looks like they will be manually managing his AoL completion under the 2015 requirements.

    Note: They decided, as a family, to run the 2015 program since he was the only Scout that transitioned over from 4th to 5th grade. The remaining Scouts in the den are new to Scouting this year.
    Pending Approval
  • Washington Crossing Council Image
    Committee Chairman
    9 years ago
    Stephen Hornak
    James - If I follow the situation correctly, the scout is on the 2015 in ONLY his Arrow of Light Rank setting, and his profile is modified to show AOL only as being worked on. If you are looking to apply anything from the 2010 program toward AOL in scoutbook, that is not programmed into the system.
    Pending Approval
  • Northeastern Pennsylvania Council Image
    Assistant Scoutmaster
    9 years ago
    Ken Morgan
    James,

    So the scout earned Webelos under the 2010 Requirements and has been earning AoL under the 2015 Requirements. Got that.

    Your statement, " there is no switch to change him over to the new program," what does that mean? Since Webelos has been earned, the "Toggle" in the Edit Profile page that this Blog post describes should NOT be there, however on his AoL advancement page there SHOULD BE a switch to change AoL to the 2015 requirements. Is that not there?

    Now, if it is there and it is changed to 2015, AND he is in a den with all the other Webelos II scouts set to 2015, what do you see there? I would expect to see the 2015 AoL adventure requirements, and the elective adventures below that. I just tested this and was able to set AoL to 2015 with Webelos earned under 2010.

    Now the one problem I can see now is given the new change that was described above, the first two elective adventures SHOULD apply to AoL, but won't because the toggle isn't/can't be set to AoL. This is a situation where the previous bug would have benefited you.

    What I would do in this situation, and I acknowledge is not ideal, is track AoL 2015 as best you can (and offline as needed). when everything is complete mark AoL as complete and award the rank.

    There were many transition options, but none of them (other than just finishing AoL under the 2010 requirements) were implemented in Scoutbook. In two months there literally won't be any Webelos II scout in this situation anymore and never will be again.
    Pending Approval
  • Central Georgia Council Image
    Chartered Organization Rep.
    9 years ago
    Jim Beall
    There is a bug that I will put in the Bug Forum but thought I should also note here.
    When entering Planned Advancement when setting up a Meeting the old requirements for World Conservation Award (wolf) still appear.
    Pending Approval
  • Last Frontier Council Image
    Cubmaster
    Trained Strip
    9 years ago
    Jonathan Still
    I appreciate the update, but Inhope that our youngest scouts aren't forgotten in the mix. (Tigers, Wolves, and Bears).
    Pending Approval
  • Crossroads Of America Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Holly Aitken
    Hi, I am wondering what happened to the Adventure Quick Entry function? I just had a den meeting and would like to use the adventure quick entry function but it is not working.
    Pending Approval
  • Chattahoochee Council Image
    Webelos Den Leader
    9 years ago
    Mark Marshall
    Thanks for the update trying to catch up and combined the electives to the awards
    Pending Approval
  • Cherokee Area Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    Christine Ryder
    Agreed with Holly Aitken... Adventure Quick Entry is not working. It just returns me to my dashboard. Award Quick Entry works fine. What's up?
    Pending Approval
  • Ozark Trails Council Image
    Committee Chairman
    Trained Strip
    9 years ago
    Sharon Jespersen
    HELP!!! Trying to do away with paper tracking forms. I've tried and tried but I can't figure out how to go about entering a cub's individual adventure completed requirements in Scoutbook.com. I need help knowing the process I need to go through so I can enter a cub's completed adventure requirement? Not awards earned but the individual required and elective adventure requirements. I'll appreciate any help one can give me. Thanks so much.
    Pending Approval
  • Tidewater Council Image
    Committee Member
    9 years ago
    John Mark Serre
    Why doesn't Quick Update show Adventures when accessed from the Pack's page but it does when I access from the Den's page?

    The Webelos I & II dens recently participated in a Webelos Overnighter and made significant progress towards the Earth Rocks elective. The Webelos II boys had never earned this so they are using it towards AoL; Webelos I are using it towards Webelos badge. If the Adventures were available in the Pack Quick Link, I'd have access to the whole pack and could include the Webelos II when I enter the Webelos I data.

    Alternatively, how about an option to allow the Webelos den leaders to access each others dens at the same time, like one big combined Webelos den? As I type this, I'm thinking I'll list each of us in each others' den as an assistant Den leader. If this works, I'll smile. But I still think not listing the Adventures from the Pack's Quick Entry page is a bug.
    Pending Approval
  • Jayhawk Area Council Image
    Committee Member
    7 years ago
    Robyn Meinholdt
    We have 1 Webelo/Arrow of Light that advanced to another Boy Scout Troop. How do I complete his advacement without screwing up the others that are staying in Webelos/Arrow of light?
    Pending Approval

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